Mississippi Waterfowl Migration Reports

February 1, 2013

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Name: Ryan Kleinschmidt

Location: Osakis, MN

Notable Weather Changes/Differences This Season: Very dry most of the year, crops were out very early and water levels were lower than usual.

Winter Snow Summary: Snow held off until the end of the season.

Season Water Conditions: Water levels were low for the most part.

Overall Feeding Conditions: Early harvest offered earlier feeding conditions in fields.

Duck Numbers Compared to Previous Years: Duck numbers were average for the most part.

Goose Numbers Compared to Previous Years: Goose numbers were average.

Notable Duck Migrations: Duck numbers were strong the week following the season’s close.

Notable Goose Migrations: There was a steady flow of geese during the second half of the season.

Overall Hunting Report: Hunting was fair for most of the season.

Name: Eric Wolf

Location: Waconia, MN

Notable Weather Changes/Differences This Season: The temps seemed to fluctuate quite a bit throughout the season. Unusually on the warmer side until later in the season.

Winter Snow Summary: Very minimal snow cover this hunting season, only a little snow towards late season.

Season Water Conditions: It was a very dry fall across Minnesota. Some small shallow sloughs were dried up.

Overall Feeding Conditions: Birds used primarily corn fields throughout the regular season.

Duck Numbers Compared to Previous Years: The duck numbers were pretty comparable to the past few years.

Goose Numbers Compared to Previous Years: The past couple of years we have seen a few less geese than years prior.

Notable Duck Migrations: No major migration.

Notable Goose Migrations: November was the biggest push of geese into the area.

Overall Hunting Report: Hunting reports across the area were hit or miss. We had a fairly decent year in our area.

Name: Richard Shamla

Location: Clara City, MN

Notable Weather Changes/Differences This Season: This season was the driest I have seen in this part of the state. The season was warmer as well. We lacked good cold fronts and weather changes until late in the season.

Winter Snow Summary: We had more snow this year than last year, but we are still dry.

Season Water Conditions: Not much for rains and the driest conditions for sloughs and lakes I have seen.

Overall Feeding Conditions: Overall the feeding patterns stayed the same although birds would not return to fields more often this year with the warmer temperatures. Also it seemed a lot of fields lack none harvested grain in them.

Duck Numbers Compared to Previous Years: Duck numbers remained about the same but where much more concentrated. We had more ducks after the season closed then in the past year due to milder weather.

Goose Numbers Compared to Previous Years: This year we had lower numbers due to lack of weather to push large numbers in the area. The main migration happened late in the season. The geese did not stage here for very long as the weather turned too cold and we lacked open water.

Notable Duck Migrations: Most notable migration of ducks happened late in the season and after the season had closed.

Notable Goose Migrations: We had a decent push of geese early, but there was not much activity after that until late in the season.

Overall Hunting Report: I personally had better success this year. Overall the numbers of harvests where down. It seemed if you had birds you shot more but this was not true for all groups. Added hunting pressure to the concentrations of birds made it more difficult as well.

Name: Greg Owens

Location: St. Charles, Minnesota

Notable Weather Changes/Differences This Season: Warmer than normal, more of a roller coater ride than past seasons.

Winter Snow Summary: When we did get snow and cold weather it would only last for a few days and then it would warm up and melt everything off.

Season Water Conditions: It was pretty dry around here.

Overall Feeding Conditions: There was so much food around here that the birds never really had to move south.

Duck Numbers Compared to Previous Years: Overall the numbers were good; however the migration was very late. We still have a bunch of ducks around here.

Goose Numbers Compared to Previous Years: Goose numbers were good. But just as with the ducks, the migrations were at least 3 weeks late.

Notable Duck Migrations: The most notable thing is that many of the ducks never went south. We probably have more ducks around here now than we did all season.

Notable Goose Migrations: The geese were very spread out this year.

Overall Hunting Report: We had a great season this year! The low water levels made it a real workout to get back to the ducks, but the nice thing is that very few other hunters put in the effort to get back to where the ducks wanted to be.

Name: Shawn Lewis

Location: Midland, MI

Notable Weather Changes/Differences This Season: We had big weather swings. It got cold earlier then warmed up. We had water iced up earlier and then it thawed. Our water levels were way down.

Winter Snow Summary: Little to speak of.

Season Water Conditions: Low in most places, but up in a handful.

Overall Feeding Conditions: Great feed in the regular season, but in early goose most of our fields were tilled early and sprayed.

Duck Numbers Compared to Previous Years: I cannot comment on the ducks, I only made a handful of trips for ducks.

Goose Numbers Compared to Previous Years: Goose hunting was awesome. Locals and migrators were up. Our hunting was good enough I never stopped goose hunting to hunt ducks.

Notable Duck Migrations: Around Halloween we received a huge push of birds. One of the best pushes in years. Guys were waiting on the cold missed it. The full moon and big north wind brought in and out piles of ducks for 4 days and then they were gone.

Notable Goose Migrations: We had a two day split that was fantastic for the molt migrators. What an absolute blast on the young unmolested geese.

Overall Hunting Report: Great goose season and when I did duck hunt it was OK. I truly enjoyed chasing honkers this fall and may sell the mud rig if I do not duck hunt much next year.

Name: San Sasse

Location: Midland, MI

Notable Weather Changes/Differences This Season: The hunting season started out seasonably warm with little wind. As the season progressed we would get some cool days for a day or two and then warm right back up. We saw the effects of Hurricane Sandy as a lot of birds made their way from the north for a couple days and did not stay long as they rode those strong north winds south.

Winter Snow Summary: Hardly any snowfall to speak of. We would receive 2-3” and two days later it would be all gone. Global warming!

Season Water Conditions: Water conditions remained low and still remain very low. Most pothole ponds from the previous year that held birds were way down or had no water at all.

Overall Feeding Conditions: Wheat, beans, and corn all came off in a reasonable manner this year. Everything was pretty much earlier and that also gave the farmers time to get back into the fields and till everything under. Canada geese were very hard to pattern this year as they would field hop from one spot to the next daily. A lot of the time you would find the geese sitting on grassy hills as the unseasonably warm weather made it possible for the geese not to feed as much. Mallards were hitting the corn fields when we finally got some colder weather moving in.

Duck Numbers Compared to Previous Years: Average to slightly above average.

Goose Numbers Compared to Previous Years: Most likely the same but who can count hundreds to thousands.

Notable Duck Migrations: The most movement of the migration I saw was the week of Hurricane Sandy. Ducks were just pouring into the local refuge from the north by the hundreds. It was a sight that I will never forget. Other than that, ducks kept trickling in as we would get a couple of days of cooler weather and winds from a northerly direction.

Notable Goose Migrations: Canada geese started making their presence known around the middle of September as the molt migrators were coming back through. Throughout the whole October/November months geese kept trickling in little by little, which eventually turned into thousands staying for quite some time.

Overall Hunting Report: Our group did exceptionally well on field mallards this year. The middle of October was the earliest I have ever shot mallards in the fields. This kept up right through the end of November and we also did very well during the four day split at the end of December. We did hunt Canada geese and did very well when we targeted them. I would rather shoot mallards in the fields any day over Canada geese. The local refuges did okay, but no banner year. Most of the fields could not get flooded with the low water conditions and mainly southwest winds for most of the season. There were numerous groups that either did very well and some not so much. With the unseasonably mild temperatures this past season it made it very difficult to pattern birds on a daily basis.

Name: Floyd Decker

Location: Bloomingdale, Michigan

Notable Weather Changes/Differences This Season: This season was a total roller coaster from start to finish. With a very dry start to things that continued well into the regular seasons the hunt for water big enough to hold birds was challenge number 1. Temps were crazy all season as well, we broke through ice getting into marshes during the regular duck season in October and hunted the opening weekend of the late goose season in January without coats because it got up to 60 that day! Close attention had to be paid to the weather station all season as it would be in the teens on a Friday and 40s the rest of the weekend.

Winter Snow Summary: We only had light trace amounts of an inch or less all the way into December. Just before Christmas we had our first measurable snow that lasted a few weeks. We had no snow cover until just a little over a week ago when over 20 inches covered the area. However today and tomorrow the temps are going to be in the 40s and 50s so green grass here we come!

Season Water Conditions: The lowest I have seen. Lake Michigan hit a record low level breaking the record set back in the 1960's. Most small bodies of water were completely dry most of the early and regular season until we received torrential rains that did help rebound greatly. Most inland lakes were down several feet from normal, many marshes boats were not an option due to low conditions. The black river in South Haven as well as the Kalamazoo River in Allegan County are both scheduled for dredging as even today, levels are too low for many larger boats to safely navigate without risk of running aground.

Overall Feeding Conditions: If you could get into a picked corn field in our area you had it made. With a very dry start to the season and heavy long lasting rains that came around harvest time, many farmers were delayed in getting crops out of the fields. Those that got them off early held excellent numbers of birds. The only problem just as we seen with limited water to hunt, every field seemed to have a list of hunters wanting a piece of the action.

Duck Numbers Compared to Previous Years: Duck numbers were very good this year. The warm temps also helped us hold on to high numbers of woodies until much later than usual.

Goose Numbers Compared to Previous Years: The local goose numbers were also very good this year. I would say the goose population was no different than most years though.

Notable Duck Migrations: As noted above, the warmer weather seemed to keep our wood ducks in the area much longer than typical. The warmer weather also delayed good numbers of flight birds from being pushed down into our area until near the end of the season.

Notable Goose Migrations: Just as with the ducks, the unseasonal temps kept good numbers of migrant birds north of us until much later in the season than we would have liked. The Todd Farm, which should hold nearly 10,000 birds, only reported 4,000 until the first part of January when numbers came up to 8,000.

Overall Hunting Report: Even with the up and down weather this year ended as being my best ever waterfowl season. We were lucky enough to secure a handful of very productive locations from early goose through regular seasons of both duck and goose. We brought a handful of new folks out and got them bit by the waterfowl bug which in my opinion is just as if not more rewarding than a limit any day. The late season did bring a bag of tricks all its own however. It seemed no matter how much scouting and prep work we did we could not seem to be in the right place in the right time. Overall, a great season spent with great friends, who could ask for more!

Name: Gerry Mazur

Location: Toledo, Ohio

Notable Weather Changes/Differences This Season: With just over two weeks left in the Michigan late goose season it’s hard to believe that it’s really over. Battling a very weird weather year really put a hurt on the number of ducks and geese we had a chance at. There were some good days in the early season with geese, but the changes in weather patterns played havoc. Hurricane Sandy had a major impact in the Great Lakes region. It is hard to imagine that something so far away was changing the weather here. Jeff Teeter saw firsthand at Mitchell’s Bay, just to the north adjacent to Lake St. Claire how pronounced the upper level winds would be in this area. Normally filled with reds, blues, mallards and the favorite cans during that time of year were turned upside down. Leading up to Sandy moving ashore those birds were here and then the counter clockwise push did its damage. For 5 weeks after the front moved through there was nothing, not a feather. The internal warning system of birds is amazing and they jumped on the jet stream and were gone. This really spoke volumes of how at the western end of Lake Erie we saw limited numbers of birds. Mother Nature won this year.

Winter Snow Summary: We have had some snow but not enough to break out the blower. There was about a two week period of some dustings every couple of days, but nothing serious.

Season Water Conditions: Here is the real source of no birds staying in the area. River and streams leading out to Lake Erie are dangerously low. Any strong southwest wind will change access to hunting spots in a heartbeat. Levels have fallen to the point that even controlled areas are not getting the water they use to. Hard to get a straight answer from anyone in this area about federal dollars being used the way they were intended. Magee and Ottawa Federal Refuges along the lake were low all season along with the Metzger Marsh public area. All of these have water control in place, but faulty equipment is alleged to be one of the culprits. Where is our stamp and license money going?

Overall Feeding Conditions: There is plenty of food around this area, but I believe that with the number of industrial properties here the birds have a great living area where nobody bothers them. Grain elevators with the doors open doesn’t help any. Creatures of habit are teaching new birds every year on where the buffet is.

Duck Numbers Compared to Previous Years: Much lower overall during the season. You just didn’t see ducks in the usual spots and aerial surveys proved that.

Goose Numbers Compared to Previous Years: There were pockets of geese and if you were in the area you did well. Again they have found the routine of using city loafing areas that have it all for them, you can’t compete with that. Across the Michigan line really took a big hit on goose numbers. Areas where you could count on seeing birds trafficking didn’t happen. Plenty of food right by the lake and nothing to show for it. Smaller flocks getting mixed in with the educated birds are shown where to go in the city and they just perpetuate that year after year.

Notable Duck Migrations: I can’t really say there was one. The waters tell no lies and it never happened.

Notable Goose Migrations: Ditto for the Canadas, there was never that a-ha moment when you saw for yourself they are here.

Overall Hunting Report: I have to say that hunting with a dog really makes the experience better. There were some great moments during the course of the season but never enough. Four days of this past season will make my memories until we go at it again next. Stella and I had two great evenings in the early part of the goose season hunting a corn field. There is nothing better than fooling birds in the field and sending your dog out to pick up the birds. All the hard work and training pay off in just a few seconds and then it’s over. Funny how the replay in your mind keeps it as fresh as the other day. There were the two great days in the snow with ducks. I’m still replaying the retrieves in my head. We had birds working the goose spread and two mallards swung in close to the guns and we dropped them. Stella moved on the one bird closest to the blinds and brought back a nice drake to the blind. I sent her on the farther bird and as always trust the dog’s nose, they know. I was off on the mark, she wasn’t, another nice drake. My proudest moment of the hunt came as Stella and I were looking for a possible cripple from my partner’s previous hunt the day before. We were working the field upwind when I here two pops from behind and see two ducks go down. Stella marks and is off on the first and hauls in a hen. She is closer in distance to my partner so I send her to him and she heals up next to him and hands the bird over. I call her to me and line her up on the next, her nose in the wind she makes a great find and returns a nice greenhead to me. What a great afternoon watching those retrieves in the snow, I will replay them until next year.

Name: Brandon Geweke

Location: Lake Villa, Illinois

Notable Weather Changes/Differences This Season: The 2012-2013 waterfowl season was very dry majority of our ducks can in one day and out the next, late season Canadas were an extreme challenge do to the fact there were birds feeding in winter wheat field in the middle of December and January. On a normal year temps are in the 20’s and we have 12 inches of snow on the ground this winter we have had temps in the 40’s and a total of 2 inches of snow the whole season.

Winter Snow Summary: The entire year we have gotten two inches of snow total.

Season Water Conditions: Water levels have been at all time lows all season pushing puddle ducks more toward the Mississippi.

Overall Feeding Conditions: Majority of the year the Canada geese have fed in corn fields very little feeding in soy which is strange probably do to the dry year.

Duck Numbers Compared to Previous Years: Duck numbers were definitely down but we still were able to harvest about the same number of ducks as we did in 2011 just had to work harder and travel a little more like North Dakota, Alaska, Rhode Island to get birds but that’s what we had to do

Goose Numbers Compared to Previous Years: Canada numbers were way up typically mid season we could have a lull but with the weather conditions it kept the birds here and there numbers just kept building.

Notable Duck Migrations: Very slow, in November we had straight hard winds from the east 25 mph and blew a lot of birds off Lake Michigan and that’s when we shot most of our birds.

Notable Goose Migrations: Large amounts of birds started building here from mid-September and still are building or holding there numbers, truly haven’t seen too many birds really leave

Overall Hunting Report: This definitely was a year to remember from the trips and memories made with family and friends, We had to travel to kill ducks, making another trip up to Valdez, AK, was unforgettable harvesting my harlequin ducks along the side of my father was pretty special.

Name: Kip Strickland

Location: Baxter, Iowa

Notable Weather Changes/Differences This Season: This season’s weather was warmer overall than past seasons, and was extremely dry and continues to remain dry.

Winter Snow Summary: So far we have only had one major snowstorm in Iowa and that does not leave much ground water for next year. We are way below normal rainfall amounts and in extreme drought conditions.

Season Water Conditions: Extreme drought, 70% less water hunting opportunity than in wet or normal years.

Overall Feeding Conditions: Moist soil conditions were poor due to drought; dry field feeding conditions were abundant.

Duck Numbers Compared to Previous Years: Below average.

Goose Numbers Compared to Previous Years: Normal or average, high numbers late in the season.

Notable Duck Migrations: Not much to speak of.

Notable Goose Migrations: A great Canada goose migration late in the season.

Overall Hunting Report: Overall hunting reports were extremely varied this season. Some hunters had great seasons as in years past, and other hunters had poor seasons due to drought and lack of public access. Those hunters that focused on Canada goose hunting instead of ducks seemed to have pretty good seasons, and the hunters that worked hard to find ducks and stayed after them had pretty good seasons; given the conditions. I think migration numbers were down compared to average years, and I think dry conditions had birds stopping short term and migrating on south very quickly due to the lack of habitat and moist soil feeding opportunity. I feel that as in most years, we had our majority of migrating mallards after the seasons had already closed or just before they did in most areas of the state. I really wish the Iowa DNR would look at moving our season dates to increase hunter success.

Name: Shaun Patrick

Location: Troy, MO

Notable Weather Changes/Differences This Season: Early in the season the weather had me thinking this season was going to be one for the record books, however mid season we experienced a warm up, which caused the birds to stay in the area for extended periods of time, and they became very stale and knew where they were safe. We also experienced a drought, which hurt agricultural fields, producing record low yields for some farmers; but at the same time drought was also responsible for some of the best moist soil stands we have had in a very long time.

Winter Snow Summary: We had almost no notable snowfalls, the most being about 2 inches.

Season Water Conditions: Water conditions on the river were low all season, but at most public areas conditions were average due to the use of wells.

Overall Feeding Conditions: Food was plentiful for ducks, they were able to feed in moist soil for much of the year, and did not venture into the flooded corn until after shooting hours.

Duck Numbers Compared to Previous Years: Duck numbers for the area as a whole were up compared to years past, with our local refuge setting a record and holding over 218,000 ducks. This sounds like it would produce amazing hunting for the area, however, these ducks stayed in the refuges and because of the warm weather conditions, were never forced to feed, and produced diminished hunting opportunities for much of the season.

Goose Numbers Compared to Previous Years: Goose numbers in the area were at a record low. We never experienced any large migration into this area, and it caused the worst goose season most guys around have ever seen.

Notable Duck Migrations: On Veteran’s Day we experienced a very large migration, with guys filling their bags almost all over the St. Louis area. Our migrations this year came in huge numbers and the hunting would be great for a few days, but then the migration would stall out, causing stale and wary birds. We had several other migrations that brought good numbers into the area later in the season, which turned the hunting on again for the days to follow.

Notable Goose Migrations: There was almost no goose migration to speak of, we did have a few new birds enter the area but it was few and far between. Because of the warm weather conditions birds seemed to hang up in Iowa and further north in Missouri.

Overall Hunting Report: This season, in terms of hunting, was one for me to forget. I had some great hunts that were top notch, but with the weather, there were long gaps in between them. When the ducks were new to the area, they worked great and it made for easy limits around, but due to the mid season warm up, it kept them in the area, and caused most birds to not want to finish. At one point of the season we had the same birds we were hunting basically for an entire month, with no birds leaving and no birds coming, it made for extremely frustrating hunting. On the goose front, the insane weather made what geese we did have in the area almost impossible to pattern, and caused for one of the worst goose seasons most guys have had in recent memory. I did however get to hunt quite a few new places, and meet some great new friends along the way. I am excited to get the snow goose season underway, as well as get geared up for hopefully a better 2013-2014 waterfowl season.

Name: Clint Roby

Location: Dalton, Missouri

Notable Weather Changes/Differences This Season: Worst drought since the 1930’s.

Winter Snow Summary: NA

Season Water Conditions: Poor

Overall Feeding Conditions: Poor

Duck Numbers Compared to Previous Years: Average

Goose Numbers Compared to Previous Years: Average

Notable Duck Migrations: Early push and then not much.

Notable Goose Migrations: Same for the geese as well.

Overall Hunting Report: The drought was the main culprit of this year’s season. Overall water conditions in the area were poor. Reservoirs were exceptionally low and area wetlands were dry impacting the available waterfowl habitat. The dry conditions also affected the Ag food in the area. Yields were well below average and the dry fall enabled farmers the opportunity to disk what food was left under.

Name: Ralph Harr

Location: Frankford County/ St. Peter’s Missouri

Notable Weather Changes/Differences This Season: This season started off with a great cold front right off the start and we didn’t get another cold front that pushed new birds in for a month and a half. The last 3weeks of the season seamed to have the most action for hunting and bird movement. We also never really got frozen solid. As soon as it would start to get very thick it would get warm.

Winter Snow Summary: Very little at all. Less than 4 inches total all season.

Season Water Conditions: At the start of the season it was very, very dry but as the season went along the water conditions got a little better every week. With the very mild temps all season we had very little ice to deal with all year

Overall Feeding Conditions: The feeding conditions where great all year with plenty of food. The ducks definitely didn’t move out because lack of food.

Duck Numbers Compared to Previous Years: I think duck numbers where up compared to last year. I don’t have numbers compared to last years but I’ve never seen the numbers as high in some of the refuges as high as they where this year. Record numbers at Ted Shanks CA and also record numbers at Clarence Cannon Refuge.

Goose Numbers Compared to Previous Years: The numbers where down and still to this date are very low in comparison

Notable Duck Migrations: The notable duck migrations where few and far between but some how we had record numbers in refuges. The first bid migrations happened in the last week of Oct., right before the season started. The next big migration wasn’t until the second week of December. Other than that we had some little pushes here and there. The warm weather really kept birds in South Dakota and Minnesota for most of al the season.

Notable Goose Migrations: Same as the ducks.

Overall Hunting Report: Hunting was tough due to mild temps. This made the birds move almost exclusively at night. The birds really got in a patterned of flying very late in the day if at all. No wind and no urge for birds to move made it very frustrating. If everything was aligning with the duck hunting gods it was great and I didn’t want it to end but you know how that goes. Can’t wait till next season!

Name: John Gordon

Location: Prichard/Crowder/Chatham, MS

Notable Weather Changes/Differences This Season: The weather has been on more of a roller coaster this year than any I can remember previously. Last season was just warm overall; this one has had many days of near freezing followed by temperatures over 60.

Winter Snow Summary: We had one small snow event, didn’t last the day.

Season Water Conditions: Fields started out very dry and all water was pumped in by wells. By the end of the year there was water everywhere and the hunting suffered due to birds scattering into areas not hunted.

Overall Feeding Conditions: Pretty decent amounts of grain were around in field ponds, and the ducks found them early.

Duck Numbers Compared to Previous Years: It sure seemed as though there were much larger duck numbers early in the season than late. This is most likely due to the increase in water so concentrations were harder to locate.

Goose Numbers Compared to Previous Years: Speck numbers were strong early as well and then tapered off. There have been many fewer snows this season in the Mississippi Delta.

Notable Duck Migrations: The middle of November until late December saw most of our migration in. January is usually our best migration month but it was poor at best.

Notable Goose Migrations: Some came early with not much behind them. Only a few concentrations remain, warm temperatures and south winds will have them winging north soon.

Overall Hunting Report: Fair is the best way I can describe this season. I went on a few great hunts and a few poor ones; everything else was average at best. That is why you should take up sporting clays if you want to shoot a lot.

Name: Jay Hayter

Location: El Dorado, AR

Notable Weather Changes/Differences This Season: Early cold fronts, no significant weather after New Years day.

Winter Snow Summary: N/A

Season Water Conditions: Normal, significant changes in water amounts later in the season however.

Overall Feeding Conditions: Good

Duck Numbers Compared to Previous Years: Really good in 2012 poor in 2013, same story throughout the south.

Goose Numbers Compared to Previous Years: Some specks and snows around, not as many as previous years.

Notable Duck Migrations: Consistent with fronts in November and December, almost nonexistent in January.

Notable Goose Migrations: Early push in November, not much after that.

Overall Hunting Report: Great mallard shooting from opening day until New Years and then poor for month of January.

Name: Shannon Housend

Location: Des Allemans, LA

Notable Weather Changes/Differences This Season: I seen frost twice totally no winter at all the worst!

Winter Snow Summary: N/A

Season Water Conditions: The water wasn't abnormal for the time of year like it usually is. The water stayed down but not for long, too much south wind!!!

Overall Feeding Conditions: The grass grew well through the summer; we had a mild storm that blew in some brackish water and that killed us. For the most part the birds didn't make it and if they did they didn't stay for amount of time.

Duck Numbers Compared to Previous Years: Very low numbers in my general area, greys, teal, ring-necks, very few mallards were seen.

Goose Numbers Compared to Previous Years: NONE

Notable Duck Migrations: I had a few evenings where I saw ducks coming in and would wake up and check and they were gone. I have never seen birds leave that fast, not overnight.

Notable Goose Migrations: N/A

Overall Hunting Report: If you hunted at all you had better packed a lunch, cause you was gonna be there for awhile. It was hit or miss, either you had em or not, and for most of the season we didn't have them. It was a pretty flat year for the most part. You can't kill what they don't have Bro! Be good if you can't be good be good at it!!!!!!!!